Darshans2026#03

KĀL BHAIRAVA AND THE FIFTH HEAD OF BRAHMĀ

Here I will say one more thing from the Shiva Purana itself: Kaal Bhairav was given the name Shankar by Shiva Himself; so the one whom we call Shiv Shankar may be Kaal Bhairav. Because he made the babbling head of Brahma quiet: Shan ka raha — make him quiet. You can find the reference in the Shiva Purana.

Q: What happened when he cut the fifth head of Brahma?

Guruji: After cutting his head, he went all over Creation. That is a fantastic story; you should read it in the Kurma Purana. He was moving, riding a bull, with thousands of ganas following him, singing in a great mood. They went to Vaikuntha, and Vishnu came running.

First, two of his guards stopped him — he killed them and put them on his shoulders — then Vishnu came running. Then he cut a vein on Vishnu’s head and began to fill Brahma’s skull with his blood: for 1,000 celestial years the blood was flowing into it. After that he said, “OK,” and started to move away; Vishnu began to follow him.

Then it is written that he reached Benares, Kashi. And Brahma’s skull fell down there. So the sin of killing a Brahmin was gone. That place is still called Kapal Mochan in Kashi. Then he revived Vishnu’s guards and gave them back; and then he began to live in Benares. That is the story. Shankara: the one who made him quiet.

Q: Is this place somewhere near the Ganges?

Guruji: No, it is in the middle of the city. Find the Kurma Purana with Sanskrit shlokas and translation.

GANESH JI — SON OF SHIVA

A question just came to me: why did Shiva cut off Ganesh Ji’s head and place an elephant’s head on him?

I am a simple man, so I will say that Devi Parvati created him with a special type of body wrap that acts as a soap in India. It is called ubtan. She just made him out of it.

And when there is a couple as powerful as Shiva and Parvati, a wife cannot have a son of her own. It is always a joint venture.

So Shiva cut off his head and put another head on him. By doing this, he also became the father of Ganesh.

So he is the son of both of them.

Thank you.

HANUMAN JI MANOJAVAM (SPEED OF THE MIND)

With all my respect to Hanuman Ji, as we were speaking of it, the speed of light is nothing. I think that, moving at the speed of the mind, being somewhere instantly is the name of the game.

Hanuman Ji is described as “manojavam,” which means he can travel at the speed of thought or the mind. His force is much, much greater than that of a great cyclone; the air element is so powerful. And he is the son of Vayu, and he is the wisest among wise beings. That is how Hanuman Ji is described.

So, the speed of the mind is described so much in Hinduism. Remember that!

Sometimes people say: “He appeared before me, and then, after we talked, he disappeared.” He did not disappear; he simply went somewhere at the speed of the mind. And our eyes are not sensitive enough to catch his movement. That is how he appeared: he came at the speed of thought. That is the phenomenon of appearing and disappearing.

If you are moving faster than light, you will become invisible, because light does not have enough time to reflect from you.

Once upon a time, the fastest means of travel was horseback riding. How could even the most skilled rider move faster than his horse? In the same way, we cannot suddenly imagine someone travelling at the speed of thought.

We need to be educated just to begin to understand it. That is why education is important. Every advancement in science has made our imagination dmore powerful. We are starting to imagine immensity.

 

THE ANCIENT BLOODLINE OF GURUJI

PRĀCĪNA GURUJI-VAṂŚĀVALĪ

I called them the record keepers here, and he was narrating.

I mean, it sounds Biblical.

In the beginning, the formless power was there. Then it took form in three ways: Brahmā, Viṣṇu, and Śiva. From Brahmā, Vasiṣṭha came, and then Śakti, then Parāśara, then Vyāsa and Bharadvāja. And from Bharadvāja to Droṇācārya, Aśvatthāmā. He married 17 times, the 17 branches.

You know from where he started, impossible, you cannot guess, from Tibet. And that means — Amnye Machen. That’s why I am so much aware of Amnye Machen, without ever going there.

Śakti, Parāśara, Vyāsa and Bharadvāja. From Vyāsa, Śukadeva. And his Śukadeva, from Bharadvāja, Droṇācārya, Aśvatthāmā, and then 17 branches of Aśvatthāmā.

So, I belong to one of them.

MAGICAL STORIES

He was opening the shop – and a very dirty-looking sadhu came: with matted hair and red eyes – very dirty. He asked for money from that shop owner; and it is a usual custom in India: they don’t give money first – unless some customer has purchased something.

There were no customers, so he said – go away! He came to the barber shop: my barber knew him – I was seeing him for the first time.

And he told the barber: this bastard will give me 500 rupees – you will see! He just pissed in his pot, and drank it there. And after 5 minutes the shop owner jumped: his balls had disappeared. He was feeling for them and then said: Baba, please! He answered – idiot, give me 500 rupees! He ran back to the shop, brought the money; then the sadhu just threw it: take them back! And they were there.

I mean – unbelievable! Nowadays we don’t see such people. Very few people could do that then: very dangerous people!

There was another man: he was called Gujar Baba. You asked him for anything – and he would just do this – and that thing would come.

But you would have to pay money for that: he would throw the money into the sky – and it would disappear. That was amazing: you could ask for anything! From a mobile phone to the most expensive cigarettes – jewels, gold; but you would have to pay for it. He would throw the money into the air – and it would disappear. He is dead now, he is no more – but he lived a long life. He was not making money out of it – but the display was fantastic.

There was one big transporter also there; he came – and the transporter was an unbeliever: he said – I want four rasgullas in my mouth! Baba said: give me money! He gave the money – and four rasgullas appeared inside his mouth. It was amazing!

MATHS AND INFINITY

Only in maths there is infinity.

But it is described only in maths: that between two points there is infinity.

You said: it started from a point; that is formless. The vibration of the sound started from the point: the point is an indicator of infinity because it is formless, with no dimension. So, the whole Creation started from something which has no dimension and no form – and the vibration begins. It condensed, and we see material things. It is our point of view; but basically it is all empty, 99.9% empty. That’s why very wise men say: it’s just an illusion – it is an illusion! But because we love entertainment – we also love illusions, why not?

Maths is philosophy – the highest philosophy you can ever imagine.

Someone once asked me: “Does Kriya Yoga give mathematical results?” I said: “Of course.”

Q: like 2 plus 2 is 4?

Guruji: that’s the beginning; ultimately maths leads you to the abstract, to infinity. That is the result of practicing Kriya Yoga: that is the mathematical result!

I love those four lines from William Blake: “To see a world in a grain of sand, and heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour.” Hats off to William Blake. One of the best things I’ve ever read!

DAO

The way which can be told is not the way, the Dao.

A person who is not educated at all and is not aware that there are schools and teachers who educate people — if he asks a very educated person: what is education? Will he be able to answer what education is? He will have to go through the whole process to know exactly what education is. That is Dao.

MOKSHA

If you are powerful enough to fulfil any desire that comes into your mind — but you are so bored with them that you choose not to do anything — that state of mind can be called “moksha.” Getting rid of desire is nothing; having the capacity to fulfil any desire — and choosing not to — then you will experience moksha. It’s not for the weak!

Q: if you have a lot of desires — but you cannot fulfil them?

Guruji: nothing; you will remain frustrated all your life. But you will try to pose as if you don’t care. But you are fair enough to say: “I don’t care.”

YOGAŚ CITTA-VṚTTI-NIRODHAḤ

If you want to hear something wise – I can say it. It is becoming a habit now. (smiling)

See, initially the mind is such a fine and subtle thing that you cannot directly contact or connect to your mind.

And when you look at your body – it is an instrument of the mind: if you control the body to a certain level – you will begin to feel the working of the mind.

And when you begin to feel the working of your mind – the next step is to start feeling your mind.

Only through the body will you go to the mind. Yoga is chitta vritti nirodhah.

I will tell you one more thing: everybody says – spirit is inside. God is in your heart. Consciousness is in the mind.

That means: consciousness, spirit, and God are part of my physical existence. Tell me if I’m wrong.

So, simply by understanding your physical existence, you will reach these great powers of which I will tell you. Very simple approach, direct. Mood is good now.

I’ve said many times: what controls our mind?

Our misconceptions control our mind.

We argue to keep our misconceptions, we fight, we kill to keep our misconceptions – that my misconception is right, yours is wrong. That is another misconception.

When your mind is free from misconception – that is true nirvana. That is liberation!

HALF A BAG OF RICE

“What is your monthly budget?”

Guruji: “I answered that I have no income, so my budget is unlimited.”

It is exactly according to your income that you plan your budget. I have no income, therefore my budget is unlimited.

Govardhan Maharaj and Babaji take good care of me.

What is due to come to you, will come.

Do you remember my story about the man who had only half a bag of rice?

It is a story about a Guru and a disciple. The disciple asked the Guru a question: how strongly are people dependent on their own destiny or karma?

And if everything is already written in destiny, then how can anything at all be changed in the script?

The Guru said, “Good. When the proper time and suitable example come, I will tell you.”

They approached a town where a poor man lived. The Guru told the disciple to read the poor man’s destiny from his forehead.

The disciple answered that according to destiny, the man could never have more than half a bag of rice.

The Guru exclaimed, “Now I will give you the answer.”

They approached, and because the Guru was very popular in that area, the farmer greeted him respectfully and asked how he could be of service.

The Guru simply said, “Do you have half a bag of rice?”

“Yes, sir.”

“Go to the market, sell it, and with the money buy delicious food for your family.”

“But that is all I have,” the farmer replied.

“I told you. Go and do it.”

The man went and sold his half bag of rice, and naturally he then had money to buy delicious food and different sweets for the whole family.

Because of this, they had a celebration.

The disciple became very worried about what would happen next.

“Wait and watch,” Guruji replied.

Late at night they saw how the Creator Himself personally came and carried half a bag of rice on His back into the poor man’s house. Because it had been written that the poor man would always have half a bag of rice.

This is exactly how you can influence your destiny.

If the poor man had simply kept his half bag of rice, then it would have remained only half a bag of rice. But he began to sell the rice, became respected, and money started coming to him.

And he still always has half a bag of rice.

This is how you can work with your karma.

If your pockets are not empty, then money will not come.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: THE TRANSFORMATION OF GOLD (Introduction)

Q: what do You think: that knowledge, which is available in Ayurveda manuals, could have some formulas for achieving a very long life span or even immortality?

Guruji: they are full of formulas — but who is studying Ayurveda? Western alchemy could be hardly 2% of the alchemy described in Ayurveda. All books are available: the main problem is how to make it: because the ingredients are almost impossible to collect — and then it’s a very long, time-taking process: at least 30 to 40 years.

Q: so if a person sets the goal and starts to study Ayurveda — he could find it?

Guruji: everything is available.

Q: I’ve heard that some very precious books were stolen by Britishers?

Guruji: no, that was declared illegal. But it must be there — somewhere in the old libraries. Like works of Nityanath; if they stole — then what happened to the British Empire?

Q: but those amazing stories: first, when a sadhu came to You in Puri, then two Naga babas?

Guruji: they never shared the formulas: they demonstrated this — and I got a final luxury: that a person who can create gold — can be the richest man in the world — is living naked and carefree. That was the real message.

Q: they must have gone through many experiments?

Guruji: undoubtedly! They’ve already done it; so they were just doing what their Guru told them to do.

Q: and those formulas are not in any manuals?

Guruji: that triggered my interest: they were creating gold from tin! In all Ayurveda books, in all alchemical talks there is a description of converting tin into silver, not into gold. And those Naga babas were just converting tin into gold.

Q: and very easily?

Guruji: no, it looked easy; but the substance which they were dropping — that was the main point! It was looking like a powder. They were very careful that nobody got a clear look. And also, you should not be rude to show it to a greedy person. I was just thankful that I was able to see that. There are things which are not even described in Ayurveda; but there are people who know that. Only extremely lucky people may discover that.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: MEETING

I was sitting, looking at the sunset; it was near 5 o’clock or maybe 4:30: it was late afternoon. It was November: winter was beginning. It was a surprise to see Naga babas moving there. They went towards the wall of the engineering college — I just greeted them; and then after about 50 steps they came back. Then they talked: they gave me an address; that we are going to build a Hanuman temple there: you come there and we may need your help. I am sure — they were aware of me. Years before, I saw no single sadhu there; after that, I saw no single sadhu: Naga baba is the rarest of rare community there. We never see them in Gwalior, not a single Naga baba — but they were there. They gave me time and date, and I went there.

They were aware. They demonstrated to me that the final luxury is to leave everything.

Q: when You came there, what did You see?

Guruji: they were just in a hut; they had specially requested the chief of the village — Pradhan; they said: we will do our japa, don’t disturb us: we are observing Hanuman Ji yagya — do not let anybody come inside: so they created this atmosphere before. Then I went there — we went inside; putting our shoes outside. They talked; then he said: we will do this and we will need your help to sell it. Next visit they did it: it was after two days.

Q: so, You came next time; how was it?

Guruji: there was an iron wok on a stove — simple stove; there was some tin; they put it — and tin melting point is very low: it just became liquid — it is nearly 250 degrees; then he says: Swamiji, roti ke daal? Swamiji said: let’s have daal! — and it was gold. I understood immediately they were masters. Then they gave it to me: please, sell it — it is for Hanuman temple.

They made gold only two times; only for the construction of Hanuman temple and the murti. For feeding people they were creating silver: and silver also from tin. Gold was not so expensive then; it was about 2000–2500 rupees for 10 grams.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: QUALITY OF GOLD

Q: did You feel the smell of herbs or tobacco from the chillum?

Guruji: there was no smell of ganja or tobacco. Very different smell, hard to describe. Later we discovered: when you are pulling on a cigarette, the temperature rises up to 11000 Celsius: that was the easiest way to give fire treatment to that substance.

And the quality of the gold was the best of the best: bithur gold — which is more expensive than 24 karats. It is so soft that if you bite it — your teeth impression will be left on it. Silver also was 99%.

Q: after that You didn’t see them?

Guruji: we became very friendly; and they told me — we will go now. After bhandara was done, temple was done, all pujas were done; we were like friends — but they remained so secret about so many things: they never told their names, they were calling each other “Swamiji”; and they told me not to reveal these things to people — because people may follow us and there may be other consequences. They built maybe 51 temples; or even 108.

And they were not affected by cold at all. They were not looking old also; slim but very fit; long hairs in jatas. One sling bag — that’s it.

When they came, I was recovering from samadhi. I had already started exercising and my mind was in a very different state. I had my first experience in October 1985; and they came in the middle of November. Maybe they were aware of this; even though they never discussed yoga.

Q: they put some shape to this gold?

Guruji: I’m trying to teach the children! Take a brick: there is a cavity in it; they will just pour the substance from the wok into it: it will become a brick-like shape. So simple thing!

I brought money, gave it to them; they hired so many workers and all the materials — and temple started. All circumstances pointed to that: they were aware who I am.

Only that time I saw two Naga babas in Gwalior: never before, never after.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU:

Q: have You seen their aura?

Guruji: aura was golden. And there was no reaction to the cold: that was another extraordinary thing.

Q: and they were not smoking cannabis?

Guruji: no. The smell of cannabis all Indians recognize.

Q: then the question rises: how do the immortals smell?

Guruji: no smell. At least I don’t remember any smell.

Q: sometimes in Puranas it is depicted that devatas or gods are appearing with a certain smell — jasmine, for example?

Guruji: no, they are devatas; jasmine is connected with Hanuman Ji. But I don’t remember any smell. There was no strong smell in their hut, which I remember now. When you’re going through some adventure, you’re not paying attention to so many details.

In November, when cold wind is blowing, everybody was near the heater; only I came out because I was recovering from samadhi to see the sunset; then they came. It was great fortune that I was able to meet them and talk with them; they inspired me: I studied a lot after that. I went through almost every book on Ayurveda. If some people saw it — they would spend all their life telling the stories; I’ve seen — and I read all Ayurveda after that.

Q: that first meeting with the sadhu-alchemist in Puri didn’t push You to study Ayurveda?

Guruji: no, only after meeting those Naga babas. And all books came to me.

They were not so talkative; but they were happy to see me. They were also eating potatoes: every day when I was coming there they offered me two boiled potatoes with salt and chai. That was the best treat.

Q: they were also drinking chai?

Guruji: in fact, quite a lot of it!

Mutual respect was there: they never treated me like a boy.

Q: what can You say about their approximate age?

Guruji: their hairs were dark; I will put them in their middle thirties — no more than that. They were Nagas: I can say that all body hairs were black.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: HANUMAN JI TEMPLES

After selling gold and silver, then I went to see my Guru, where that Aghori episode happened. I came back; then I went to see them again; and they were working very fast: they were giving the time frame — no matter how many workers are there.

In the end of December or early January it was complete; and then they fed about 5 villages — maybe 2–3 thousand people; there was big yagya for Hanuman Ji — and that was that. They always left in the night — so nobody knew which direction they went.

Q: You told Your Guru about this case?

Guruji: he became very thoughtful — but said nothing. Then he sent me to that Aghori friend of his. We had some discussions with those Nagas; they told me not to reveal the direction they were going and not to tell about selling of gold because society is full of greedy people. I was intelligent enough to understand. But I still have not revealed the place where Hanuman temple was built.

So many deep mysteries are floating on a grassroots level which highly educated philosophers keep missing. It is their loss!

In 1988 I went to Kumbh Mela and went through so many Naga babas: I never saw them.

Q: were they immortals?

Guruji: very difficult to say: because then I was not interested in immortality. We were just thinking: Babaji is immortal — and that was the end of it. Maybe; but they were surely long-lived. Such wisdom cannot come so early that at early thirties you become a master of alchemy: that takes a long time. Jo range maya — so range kaya: that is the standard thing on the grassroots level. Any substance which can create gold will also make your body better.

Hanuman Ji is connected with vayu; they smoked chillum — and that smoke I’ve also inhaled.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: DETAILS

Q: have You ever asked Yourself: why they shared this knowledge with You?

Guruji: to know — such things are possible; and it is still happening, it’s not an ancient thing — it’s still contemporary; but these things should be used only for good purpose. That is the hidden message there. They had nothing on them: one chimta and the bag. And they never begged: all villagers were bringing things to them there. And villagers were thinking I’m collecting money and bringing it to them (smiling).

In Kumbha Mela it’s a show thing: the Naga Babas are in front; but I never saw anyone like those two Nagas which I’ve met when I lived at my farm.

Q: how can You define them if they are Nagas?

Guruji: the shape of the body. Those two had no match: very shapely and slim. Usually Nagas are with big bellies. There was one Naga, who pulled a truck full of wheat with his organ; he was very shapely but half of his hairs were gone — he was nearly bald. Otherwise, like them — no one.

Q: as I understand, those two were talking grassroots level; but maybe You can recall the area of their origin, judging by language?

Guruji: no, it was absolutely normal, accentless. See, in Gwalior grassroots language is different than Braj: they were speaking in that. I can also understand the speaker — but it is different than Braj.

Q: that is interesting: You said You never saw Nagas in Gwalior — but they spoke that dialect?

Guruji: we did a lot of inquiries in all those years — no, no Nagas.

I was just sitting on some stone, seeing the sun setting; they crossed in front of me. Then they came back — and talked.

Q: they started talking?

Guruji: yes, they said: we are just going to build the Hanuman temple: you come. I said — ok: so I went. You see, remaining unemployed gives you a different attitude.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: GOLD AND SILVER

Q: very strange situation: You come, they give You gold…

Guruji: not on the first — on the second visit.

Q: what was on the first visit?

Guruji: just introduction: this temple, all around. The village chief was very respectful — and he had already created a hut for them.

Q: they talked about gold on the first visit or on the second?

Guruji: no, on the second. And they created that gold on the third visit.

Q: and what did they say: we will create gold?

Guruji: no, that was a different talk — not like that. It’s a different language. Next visit I gave them money; then they created some silver; then again money. They were creating silver for feeding the people. Gold was only for creating the temple. Silver — two times.

Q: they were siddhas?

Guruji: undoubtedly! And no single grey hair anywhere. They were not fair, they were dark in colour — like highly tanned. Only Naga babas can recognize me (smiling).

Q: and see the trust: if you give someone gold and ask to sell it — you will never see that man again!

Guruji: of course! They were smoking chillum — but that was not tobacco, no ganja. It was something different.

Q: what was the colour of smoke?

Guruji: it was bluish.

Q: after each meeting You felt that the power increased?

Guruji: I was in a very different type of mental state, but I began to feel better and better. The training became easy and I felt more physical power. Till then I had never lifted men overhead — only in college maybe, one or two lightweights. In 1985 and 1990 I was lifting everyone overhead.

THE STORY OF GURUJI’S MEETING WITH A NAGA SADHU: MAGICAL SMOKE

Q: after first samadhi how long did You suffer with weakness?

Guruji: more than a month. Maybe 5 or 6 weeks — then they arrived. It was a big effort to train; but after that smoke the mood changed. But these facts were never connected in my mind before. It suddenly started to be better. The mental state became cheerful. Depression was gone within two days.

Q: You wanted to live again after that smoke?

Guruji: not live again — but just more power started, mood began to be better. Then I went to see my Guru; then Aghori thing happened, I came back and again visited them. That was a very interesting time.

Q: interesting that Your Guru said nothing?

Guruji: yes, but sent me to this Aghori after listening.

The world was at their command: they could be the richest if they wanted: see, that confidence we can never imagine!

Q: how did the workers who built the temple perceive them? Were they afraid, or respectful?

Guruji: they contacted the chief of the village: that our Guru has told us to build Hanuman temple here; and we will do bhandara for 5 villages. Villagers are very respectful to the sadhus. They created a hut for them; then they gave them money and the work started. And they gave them a timeline: you have to work fast — and they did work fast. Not a huge temple: just like a village small temple. They made the villagers do most of the work, providing them with the plan and the money. That’s how things are done: you give them money — things are done.

 

WHEN GOD MANIFESTS, THE REAL TESTS BEGIN

When I commented on the Gita 34 years back — my mind was not ready to tackle Gorakhnath’s texts. I can compare. And now it just happened.

Q: can we say that the Gita is like a basic book; and Gorakh Bani is the final step of education?

Guruji: the Gita is like a core formula; these are details.

Q: yesterday we discussed that You fought after writing five books; so it was a different fight?

Guruji: very different — all are dead. Old history now. In the movies we see that after God appears all life is just bliss; and all my problems started after the Gita commentaries. But it was a struggle to establish oneself.

Q: so it somehow sped up Your karmas?

Guruji: no, you need to establish that you are here. This place was abandoned for the last hundred years or so — even though it is 200 years old. The king lost his kingdom and everybody was coming here as if it were a public lavatory. Cacti grew everywhere, vultures. So, to prove “now it is mine” — you just have to prove it. In India — and all over the world — people are not so abiding that you show them a piece of paper and they will accept it. You have to prove that you are a hero. Not in charity — as owner.

Q: could we say that the Gita was like a certification of the next step of Your education?

Guruji: I’m sure of it! Maybe that’s why Govardhan Maharaj, Shri Krishna chose me to be here: because it was in ruins, the cremation place of his 16000 queens was full of cacti; maybe they selected me to clean it.

Q: You said a very interesting statement: when God appears — problems begin?

Guruji: always! This problem was for cleaning and establishing some discipline. God will give you greater responsibility. Now I see that a person living in a 2–3-bedroom flat and taking care of 2–3 people in his family — even if he says he’s struggling — it’s nothing.

I’m living alone in this vast area; so many workers are working and so many struggles happen — but now I’m peaceful.

Q: when You finished the Gita commentaries; in the beginning did You understand all that?

Guruji: no, in the beginning it was difficult to understand; I had to leave my hometown, came to Vrindavan; wrote commentaries on the Shiva Sutra and Yoga Sutra; then went to Sarnath: they registered our academy as Siddha Siddhanta Yoga Academy — then I came here. Then the fights began. Krishna is saying: you need to fight! He was not saying: observe non-violence. Maybe it was another test from Bhagavan. You have to prove you’re still existing.

Q: have You felt Babaji’s hands behind You?

Guruji: without this support no one can survive. It is not a coincidence that nearly 200 people are gone. I don’t accept it as a coincidence.

One thing that sobered me up — and I stopped going outside; because when you go out and you’re looking better than them — they will always taunt you out of their inferiority complex — and the struggle will go on. They brought one big criminal here to face me. I didn’t know him and I was stronger than him — so I kicked him out.

He challenged me: that now I’m going to bring my gang, two tractor trolleys of men with sticks — we will break your bones; I said — ok, bring them. And I started to wait. He never came.

Then late in the evening I came to know that within 10 minutes after challenging me he died: he was run over by a bus in front of the police station. That was an alarming thing! That also made my reputation locally.

Q: what did You feel at the moment You heard that news?

Guruji: I’ve noticed that I don’t love my enemies. But it was a surprise. When you are ready to face a big fight — alone, with only my sister with me — and I came to know that he was a very notorious criminal; he was going to break your bones, you’re ready to defend yourself; and nobody comes.

Then you hear the news that he died within 10 minutes. Then the feeling was very good. Nobody came after that. It was a very alarming thing for the locals.

Q: but it was very frightening…

Guruji: we had just finished the commentaries on the Gita: win or lose — doesn’t matter. Stand your ground, hold your ground! That matters. As they say in my hometown: let us see what will happen!

Исправил только грамматику, орфографию, пунктуацию и явные языковые ошибки. Смысл, структуру, последовательность вопросов и ответов и стиль речи Гуруджи сохраняю максимально близко к оригиналу.

 

THE FIRST REALIZATION OF EMPTINESS AND TIME

Q: when You described Your first experience of samadhi, You told us about amazing details of the smell of humanity; but what about human thoughts?

Guruji: that was the smell of their thoughts: a chemical reaction to the physical. Every smell comes from the mind. You can smell it on them. Thoughts in the form of smell.

Q: I thought You could read thoughts in that state?

Guruji: you’re too shocked to read anything.

Q: and in the next stage of samadhi, without going into suspended animation: is it possible then?

Guruji: that’s why I like to remain away from outside society.

Q: so even without Your will You could catch someone’s thought?

Guruji: I’ve learned how to insulate myself from it.

Q: have You experienced that Your brain activity influenced the surroundings?

Guruji: it is influencing them.

Q: they changed their behaviour…?

Guruji: …Either they disappear. You cannot insulate your effect.

Q: You told us when You became aware of the consciousness of the Void; does it mean that the consciousness of the Void has some thoughts in it?

Guruji: it’s the ocean of consciousness. Every thought is there.

Q: so the Void is thinking?

Guruji: conscious.

Q: and Time is also conscious?

Guruji: yes.

Q: is it possible to catch separate thoughts there?

Guruji: how can you catch a separate wave in the ocean? Awareness of the Void started in late 1988.

Q: when did You understand that it was the Void? Or was it immediate?

Guruji: of course — I became aware of it!

Q: is it possible to compare it with human consciousness: that it has thoughts, emotions, feelings?

Guruji: less than 2% is very easy: no comparison. We should not compare.

Q: and we cannot say that it’s the depth of the subconscious within consciousness: it’s all one?

Guruji: yesterday I gave a very good answer: do you care for the bacteria living in your stomach? He said — I’m working very hard to keep their kitchen running.

I became aware of the Void in August–September 1988.

Q: how did You feel then?

Guruji: it was impossible to adjust for quite a long time. I couldn’t remain with the family; I had to move out. I had to move away to a bigger space.

Q: and was the Void aware of You at that moment?

Guruji: I think so, yes. It was aware of me from the beginning; but I saw it after I became aware of it. It’s too scary. And it will remain so.

Q: and the awareness of Time: when did it come?

Guruji: very soon after that.

Q: and what is more scary?

Guruji: it’s a close competition. The first emotions are fear and shock.

Q: but they feel like different forces?

Guruji: yes, you are able to see them separately.

Q: interesting, can they both be perceived like Ardhanarishwar?

Guruji: this understanding came much later. After 2 years — or maybe even 3–3.5 years. Even if you go through some experience, it will take years to understand it. By discussing intellectually, no understanding comes.

Q: so those forces recognized You when You recognized them?

Guruji: that’s the beginning of the problem: when they see that you are aware of them.

Q: could You say that they became happy?

Guruji: I think they just accept it. Or I was too small to see the depth of what they were feeling.

Q: then and now: is Your awareness different?

Guruji: it is much deeper, yes.

Q: so maybe now You can say more about their reactions and feelings?

Guruji: they are taking good care of me. (smiling)

Q: but it’s amazing — to talk about the feelings of the Void and the feelings of Time!

Guruji: I think they made me talk. I was not talking at all before. And we are not worshipping the past either: we have learned a lot from the past, but we are not worshipping it. It’s the first step towards realizing the present moment. Atit Ghat: never forget that word!

Q: Guruji, when You realized the Void and Time: was it simultaneously outside and inside Your body?

Guruji: no, first outside. Even though I became aware of them in the first experience of samadhi, I was not able to diagnose what they were; that came later. The body represents Void and Time; God is inside my heart, my spirit is inside me: that means God, the spirit, the Void and Time are part of my physical existence — that is another big realization. So physical existence is not just physical existence: it carries everything inside. That’s why it is so interesting and important!

Q: when the yogi is established in the present moment, his body no longer represents the past — so he is like frozen in time?

Guruji: by then, I think most of his chemical compositions will become different. His DNA will be clean. The present moment is in all time: in the past and future also; he will be aware of everything!

Q: when You felt these two forces inside Your body: how was it?

Guruji: when you are aware of these things — aware of where they are — that gives you a very different perspective on so many things.

Q: could You differentiate in Your body: this is Time and this is space?

Guruji: now I can see that.

Q: when Kalabhairav first appeared — was that the moment when six lines of Time were created?

Guruji: they were already inside Time; then slowly we discovered that. We are still not aware of how many timelines there might be. These six are the basic ones.

Q: all the creatures that disappeared after the Mahabharata — like rakshasas or gandharvas — maybe they just shifted to another timeline?

Guruji: from the science-fiction point of view, it may be a possibility.

Q: so there are six main timelines and billions of other timelines?

Guruji: six are on Earth: Earth is the crossroads where the six lines are crossing.

Q: does every one of these six lines have its own calculation of Time?

Guruji: yes, different. And beyond Earth — there are countless.

Q: about the 15 Kalas of the Moon and the development of the brain — does reaching the 16th Kala grant access to the second line of Time?

Guruji: possibly; because 15 Kalas are the progression of your development: the 16th Kala remains unseen. That is the higher state of a fully developed mind. From this point of view, it will remain unseen.

Q: if the yogi has realized Naad and is already well acquainted with the consciousness of Time, does he feel these six lines?

Guruji: of course! Even before he becomes aware of the consciousness of Time. It will begin with the Void.

Q: in the beginning, will we perceive Naad very differently: in the first month one sound, in the second — another one?

Guruji: it depends on your development: how much awareness you are gaining.

Q: is it somehow summing up: the first sound with the second?

Guruji: it is just the beginning of the introduction.

Q: is real dhyana when you merge with Naad?

Guruji: possibly, yes.

Q: does the heart beat in this state?

Guruji: very slowly.

Q: could we say that we will experience Naad in its totality only when we become conscious of Time?

Guruji: yes, only then.

Q: first we perceive Naad in our head; but with time will it be felt in the whole body?

Guruji: it is there in the whole body.

Q: when the yogi goes into suspended animation, is Naad itself restructuring his body?

Guruji: you can say that; that’s why more than 1.5 hours is not recommended.

Q: when we start to hear Naad, do our brain waves change?

Guruji: they will start changing.

Q: and after that the whole body starts changing?

Guruji: it will become more harmonious with the nervous system. It’s a very slow and steady process.

Q: when the yogi is travelling from one element to another one…

Guruji: I will tell you: in the beginning, no. You learn to differentiate between elements much, much later. Initially, it is a collective thing; then you are able to see the difference.

Q: so the people who were trying to listen to Naad and became paralysed — they got it even on an “introductory” level?

Guruji: mostly, yes, because their body was not prepared.

Q: is the main safety measure khechari mudra?

Guruji: the safety measure is hardcore yoga practice, including that mudra. One mudra is not enough. The whole body needs to be prepared; the whole nervous system needs to be prepared.

Q: and is padmasana also necessary?

Guruji: it is! There is no cutting corners or shortcuts in yoga. Not in anything. And this is not a social service either: it is for special people.

Q: could we attain samadhi by listening to Naad?

Guruji: it will begin with dhyana, then it will become more condensed and will lead to samadhi.

Q: and is it possible with prolonged dhyana?

Guruji: yes, 12 dhyanas mean one samadhi.

Q: what will we differentiate first in Naad — the elements?

Guruji: no, first — Naad in general. After years of listening to the great Naad, we will begin to appreciate the different refinements and delicacies inside. Then the recognition of different elements will happen. I think nowhere else — except the “Upanishad of Immortality” — can you read so much about Naad.

Q: so from Naad the yogi obtains all the knowledge about the elements?

Guruji: this is the basis of all Creation! All knowledge will come. Initial listening to it is one thing, but being able to understand it and all the details of it — that takes a very long time.

Q: maybe it’s not a very appropriate example, but as I understand — you can hear Naad and know what happens everywhere?

Guruji: you just breathe — and you know what’s happening everywhere. On Earth, at least. With Naad, you will know everything that is happening in the cosmos. Naad is more refined than breathing air.

Q: sometimes we can just walk or sit — and a great sound comes: what is it?

Guruji: it is part of that.

Q: it’s like we are catching some wave?

Guruji: your mind goes into a semi-relaxed condition when you are walking or doing nothing; if it is in tune — suddenly it will come. When you begin to think: what’s happening? — it will go away.

Q: but if you catch this, in tune…

Guruji: …Without reaction! — then it will continue.

Q: what happens inside the body, inside the mind, when you catch this wave?

Guruji: very different vibrations. The whole composition of your cellular structure will start to change.

Q: and will we have an idea what this Naad is?

Guruji: it will come later.

Q: so with this Naad we receive some kind of information…

Guruji: not information — it’s the beginning of a deep experience. Information will come later.

Q: information will be like an extract?

Guruji: no, the basis of all.

Q: could we compare it with radio waves?

Guruji: no, radio waves are nothing. You cannot compare it with anything. It stands alone. That’s the point: we need to cognize Naad — not recognize it by comparing it with something. And the moment you react — everything is gone. But even the thought that you shouldn’t react will be a reaction; so it will settle down with time.

Q: that’s why we are practicing the stillness of the mind?

Guruji: what is that? We are still searching for the stillness of the mind; so please, enlighten us.

We have already recorded: when you are out of the influence of your memories — then the mind will remain still. As long as memories keep coming, you will say: oh, the mind is full of thoughts! — but you are thinking about your memories. So: no influence of memories — stillness of your mind, remember that. You’re coming out of the influence of memories — and start listening to Naad.

Q: when we are in dhyana?

Guruji: dhyana is the beginning. Let’s say: you’re getting out of the clutches of your memories.

Q: so when you’re in dhyana and listening to Naad, you can direct your attention anywhere: you can hear the cosmic sound or the earthly sound?

Guruji: anything!

Q: in this state, can we say that we are beyond our physical limitations?

Guruji: only then will it happen.

Q: because you can enjoy any sound?

Guruji: no, you’re missing the point: emptiness is outside your body as well as inside your body; 99.9% is emptiness inside. When you begin to understand and see it practically — you are already beyond your physical limitations. The Void is everywhere.

Q: so dhyana is cleaning our memories?

Guruji: this love of cleaning is too much! They are not influencing you anymore. Memories are not affecting you. How much cleaning do you need? Enough is enough.

Q: when did You start to hear Naad?

Guruji: 1979.

Q: when we start to hear Naad, will our thinking process be different then?

Guruji: it will absolutely change: you will not remain so-called “normal.” And nobody will understand what you are talking about. Your life will be absolutely different.

Q: we didn’t even expect such consequences from such a great practice. Like we discussed before, when You wrote the commentaries on the Gita — and only after that all the chain reactions started?

Guruji: but Time supported me! Now another thought came to my mind: in the 18th chapter he is saying: whoever is talking about me and giving this information to the devotees — I will care for him, I will give him support, I will like and love him. So far, I’m the only one who is discussing Time. Do you think — I hope — He might be supporting me? I will hold on to these words.

Q: could we say that even introductory listening to Naad could change our neural network?

Guruji: yes, it will start — and everything will be different, no doubt about it.

And nobody has discussed the consciousness of the Void — not even Buddha, not even Lao Tzu. We were able to say something for the first time — and I feel honoured.

Wisdom is the entertainment of the wise: gyani gyani ka manoranjane.

What is the difference between wisdom and knowledge? Wisdom comes after experiencing the information; that difference remains. Wisdom can be called the evolution of knowledge. When you experience it — then it is wisdom.

Q: in Hindi, does it sound like there is no difference, or is knowledge already wisdom: gyan?

Guruji: no, we have another word: vigyan. Vigyan is wisdom. Specified information.

This is your consciousness, which comes with life, and the soul gives life: it is the basis of all wisdom and information.

You remember “Flowers and Thorns”? The ancient style of education — when a sadhak was told to go to the forest with cows and not to come back until their population reached a certain quantity?

I will elaborate on that: cows are the representation of Earth herself. Every field of knowledge, every subject, studies the nature of Earth from different angles. Living with cows will make you extremely aware of the earth element; and you will become telepathic after some time.

When you become telepathic and aware of the earth element; when the Guru says something — your mind will tune with the Guru’s mind — and you will become wise. Simple — but not that simple.

Q: so, the mind of the shishya becomes in tune with the Naad of the Guru?

Guruji: yes, with the mind of the Guru — and everything. One click — it happens. I think you all are feeling high sitting here: that is real shaktipat. But everything always takes time: that’s why we work hard.

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NEPTUNE’S TRANSIT AND SPIRITUAL PRACTICE

One person taught me how to cure kidney pain just in one puff: so the herbs in Ayurveda are not only for smoking — they are also for cures. But then I lost interest: you have to prepare it and then wait if someone will come.

Q: when You met those two Naga sadhus, the first meeting with Babaji was after it?

Guruji: after nearly 2.5 years.

Q: looking like Shani’s transit.

Guruji: yesterday Neptune changed his sign and it will remain there for 11–12 years. It’s a very mysterious planet, and it gives a very mysterious and spiritual effect. Now it starts the cycle from Aries, the first sign.

Q: Google says it could be the beginning of the spiritual war and the appearance of a new leader, who will be the new hero for society and even the whole world. It could be a new form of yoga and spirituality; and the illusions will be very aggressive in this transit. Last time Neptune was in Aries was in 1861.

Guruji: new spirituality begins: Babaji initiated Lahiri Mahasaya. Lahiri Mahasaya received it, Kriya Yoga started, democracy was introduced in India — and there were so many great changes all over the world. So we can hope for some positive things.

Now that will be very interesting to observe, that the Kriya Yoga lineage began when it was in Aries; what will happen now? It completed the full circle. I think that instead of following blindly all those so-called spiritual leaders, the devotees should start asking questions to them. That will change every situation.

Q: So maybe these 14 years are needed to finish the Vaishya era?

Guruji: It may continue even until 2050. Then the Shudra era may come, and only after that — the Golden Age.

See the pattern: do you remember any time in history when a king was promoting extremist ideas to others? Never. But we see it happening everywhere now.

All the presidents and prime ministers are traveling all over the world making business deals. Kings never did business! Their finance ministers did that.

So now is the businessmen’s era. It will end around 2050.

Then only service will be needed. It means everything will already have been sold and purchased — then only service will remain.

Q: now very hard to imagine – how they will leave it all

Guruji: because there will be no customer! Everything has been sold; whatever you need – you have purchased. But you will continue to need service, servicing.

Q: so extreme decreasing of the population will be in the end of Vaishya era?

Guruji: population will go down definitely. And no matter who you are – you will always need service.

Q: then it must be much less people than now?

Guruji: we don’t know that exactly; – but there will be less people.

See, Moses took all service class from Egypt: and all their money and all their power disappeared with that. What you will do, if you are multi-trillionaire – and there is nobody to cook food or clean house? Service sector will always remain in demand.

Q; so it will be the sector of professionals?

Guruji: they will become highly professionals

Q: it could be robots?

Guruji: we need service – no matter who is doing it.

One man become so prosperous – so he left his job and started to be at home. Within three months complaint came to me: Guruji, I’m going mad: he is always sitting on my head! Demanding chai every 5 minutes. I told him to go there somewhere for 3-4 hours then come back: give her some space!

 

GORAKHNATH AND PATANJALI 

Q: in the Nath tradition, the body is perceived as an alchemical laboratory; and even pain is like an instrument for transformation; sadhana is perceived as a battle and the yogin as a warrior, but not as a saint?

Guruji: that I will agree with. I have never seen a happy-looking saint so far — all are weeping and crying for the Lord’s mercy.

When will you be able to stop the mind? When you have developed it 100%. And the body, the support system, will be immortal to support it. They complement each other.

Q: I never thought before that the teachings of Patanjali and Gorakhnath could be so different…

Guruji: I will tell you the difference between Patanjali and Gorakhnath. Patanjali was a disciple of Nandi, Shilad putra Nandi — who was the chief gana of Shiva. Patanjali and 8 other disciples. This record you can find in “Gorakhnath and the Kanphata Yogis” by Briggs and in some ancient Nath traditions.

Gorakhnath was himself an avatar of Shiva. Why did he have to take this avatar? We need to think: because Shiva started to live on Earth, and he was watching humanity for some time; so he made the first human his disciple — Matsyendranath — to study and know about their emotions, ambitions and everything: every tragedy and every happiness.

Then he told him: I will come as your disciple. Matsyendranath had to do tapas for 100,000 years continuously, preparing himself to be the Guru of Shiva’s incarnation. Then Gorakhnath came. And the rest is history.

So: Gorakhnath was Shiva himself — and Patanjali was the disciple of the gana of Shiva, the chief gana. The difference will always remain. We follow Gorakhnath more. Even though I’ve done a full commentary on Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, we respect him very much; but Gorakhnath stands apart. No comparison with Gorakhnath! We need to remember that.

Patanjali was not giving you any technical details — just the situation. It’s part of the philosophy — and he is giving conclusions also. But Gorakhnath has gone into detail.

Q: it is interesting to compare their attitude towards Time and death: Patanjali said that to be liberated means to go out of the cycle of incarnations; and the main aim is to stop taking birth again. Gorakhnath is saying: the aim is to conquer death. The Nath does not want to quit the world: he wants to be immortal inside the world.

Guruji: the result is the same — but this is more difficult. He never took another birth; why? He never died! That’s the beauty of yoga.

Q: the difference in attitude towards siddhis: Patanjali is saying they are like obstacles and should be avoided; but Gorakhnath is saying that siddhis are like the aim and the means at the same time?

Guruji: you should remember that you should ignore siddhis after obtaining them. You cannot ignore what you don’t have. Otherwise, why does he describe them in detail in the third chapter of the Yoga Sutras? After you attain them — then you are in a situation to ignore them.

Q: Gorakhnath is saying that siddhis are like proof that you have been transformed?

Guruji: yes, I agree. They are the real proof.

Q: who is more senior: who was before — Patanjali or Gorakhnath?

Guruji: I think Gorakhnath is more ancient. Because he is an incarnation of Shiva: that means an expression of Shiva. It stands to reason — he is more ancient.

Q: some people are saying that Nandi is also an avatar of Shiva?

Guruji: no, he did great tapas; his father was Shilad Rishi. Finally, Shiva appeared — and he was asking Nandi to look like himself; and Nandi said: please, my ego will go high: make me monkey-faced. And Shiva made him the chief gana — and he is the wisest of the wisest of the wise.

But that is another mystery: I’ve seen many movies, even TV series — nobody is showing him. They always make Nandi the bull — but they are different persons. You should read the Shiva Purana: he is the most mysterious being. He took incarnation as Hanuman Ji — as you can read in the beginning of the Skanda Purana — in the first or second chapter.

Q: why did Patanjali give all this information without a method?

Guruji: these are conclusions for experts — not for beginners.

Q: why did he start with the most difficult things, like Yama and Niyama?

Guruji: that was the fashion of the day: first they would describe Samadhi Pada. First they described samadhi — then the method. The Gita also starts with how the sthitapragya walks, what he says. Then the explanation begins; that was the fashion of the day.