Q: He came to Your Guru to pay his respect?

Guruji: He told me that story.

Q: What about that story, when he was given the skill by some sadhu?

Guruji: This sadhu came to Benares to get permission from a British collector- and he was given permission. My Guru told me that happened in the late 1930’s, maybe 1936 after his father’s death. He prepared himself for the government guard they had put up, his body was shaved – entire body was shaved; so he drank some ghee and went into samadhi.

After six months – he told me about when the assistant was there or maybe  disciple; when he was dug up again – his body looked yellowish and

appeared like he had just been shaved. It took about one week for him to revive, with whatever the assistant was doing. He became very famous there, and lots of money was showered on him.

He knew Lahiri Mahasaya by reputation. So my Guru went to see him when he was out of it. He acquainted him for a lunch, which he accepted graciously and showed up. Then my Guru asked him: how did he achieve it and how did he feel when he was in that condition? He honestly said: I feel nothing, it is as fine as a coma; but all aging and body functions stop absolutely, even hair growth or nail growth are not there.

He said that when he was young – maybe in his 30’s or so – physically he was in shape but then there was some big tragedy or something in Chitrakut hill, which is called Hanuman Dhara. There is a temple of Hanuman: you have to climb hundreds of steps – very high. So because of that emotional trauma, he was thinking about committing suicide – so he climbed Hanuman Dhara mountain – very high, I’ve been there. And he was standing, planning to jump from that mountain, to commit suicide. Another sadhu somehow stopped him: from where he appeared – he didn’t know. But he told him: don’t die, come with me: we will teach you how to die. And he became his disciple. That sadhu gave him this art.

An amazing thing: when I visited Chitrakut in the1990’s, I inquired about some very old people there, old sadhus. They said – yes, we’ve heard about him; but he disappeared or died – we don’t know. There isn’t much known about him in Chitrakut.

Q: So he was practicing as a yogi or he was a sadhu?

Guruji: He was a sadhu- not exactly a yogi. He was seen from time to time and made thousands of rupees – his devotees were showering him with money, and he became known as a great person. Of course, he was a great person. How many people are able to show that?

In an even more ancient time: there was a documentary with evidence of one yogi, which the British government documented. He went into samadhi and then the wheat crop was sewed over after that; and when it was harvested – he was dug up and came out of it. That is a documentary  thing. Not many cases.

Q: The story including when somebody was trying to open their mouth…?

Guruji: Yes, with a crowbar, in Benares.

Q: When did it happen?

Guruji: My Guru was alive and I was there – maybe in 1985. He simply jumped into the Ganges and wasn’t seen anymore. Otherwise samadhi was talked about so much. We agreed that the samadhi which Lahiri Mahasaya learned is different.

Q: He had that conversation with Your Guru?

Guruji: Yes; and he simply said to him: You achieve samadhi in a different way than I, it may be the real samadhi because You’ve experienced so many things. When I entered the ground – it was as fine as a very deep sleep or I’m unconscious like a coma. That was his statement.

Q: Because he wanted to commit suicide and know the death as it is – so he was taught the death of the physical…? And death of the mind as well?

Guruji: Yes. He was not educated also – but he knew that. And the main part, which is very important: he was unable to do khechari.

Q: Samadhi without khechari?

Guruji: Something different – some different techniques may be involved or something. Now I remember: there was another woman Singh near Gwalior: her name is Ram Sihasankar. She has visited me 2 times here, she knows me well; and she has an ashram near where I used to live, near my farm. She was in samadhi for 1 year – as the people claim. She said: my Guru, Shankh Baba – his spirit is always with me. She actually entered the very small room near Hanuman temple: there was a village, called Tarot – there it happened. And she was in that underground room for 1 year, continuously; and the whole villagers were doing kirtan 24 hours -it is as good as guarding her also; then no wound, nothing. She said: when I come out – I will be naked; and a great storm will come and great wind will come. And after 1 year she appeared naked there in front of thousands; and big rain followed. She’s very famous in that area.

Q: She came to visit You here?

Guruji: Yes, two times here. She knows me; and she touches my feet – like touching the father’s.

Q: How old is she now?

Guruji: near 50.

Q: Is she practicing khechari?

Guruji: No.

Q: But it’s a state of…?

Guruji: Something; the spirit of the Guru remains with her.

Q: And what is her mental state, what can You say?

Guruji: Like a child, very innocent. Extremely innocent.

Q: She’s in the state of bliss permanently – or she’s gone there?

Guruji: She’s aware of so many things; so many politicians go for her blessings before election – something like that. When she came there – she asked me to do parikrama; and she was wearing the woolen socks and I said: they would be torn; she said – oh, I will walk so lightly so they wouldn’t be torn – and she did that. She was good: like a child, very innocent. In India there is a tradition: when a very young daughter-in- law eats something, she will not show how to chew; she acts exactly like that in front of me.

Q: Can You compare the feeling – I know they are different people, but – with Anandamayi Ma?

Guruji: Anandamayi Ma was different.

Q: But also quite innocent?

Guruji: Absolutely!

Q: So innocence is the key to enlightenment?

Guruji: Yes, she was talking with me like with her father or grandfather. Anandamayi Ma said only one thing: karoge to hoge – that was more than enough for me.

Q: They are from a different category, a different time…

Guruji: Yes.

Q: But this young woman from Gwalior – how did she know about You?

Guruji: There was one man, Surya Prakash; he was in contact with her – and he knew me, he showed her my photograph; then she came there. She said: take me to him. She came 2 times. And she still remains there in Gwalior. Very different mentally.

Q: amazing stories!

Guruji: so You can do this thing – suspended animation. Some physical training must be involved. One detail I’ll tell you, which my Guru told me: they will take the pressure to a certain point – and the bloоd will drain out of the head; and they will be in that condition. And you can go underground for 6 months. Some point in the head – or maybe in the neck or something – there you will put a certain pressure in a certain way; maybe some mantra is involved – he never told me that, maybe the sadhu told him. and the main thing: blood will come down from the head – and that state will be released. This is something different.

Q: Will the brain be deprived from any circulation of oxygen and blood?

Guruji: Yes. But the main technique must be to revive it again. You need the assistant to revive.

Q: I think You described that: he needs to be massaged…

Guruji: He was massaged, and gradually he was brought into sunlight – not suddenly. It took 7-8 days, gradually. First day he was in the dark, then they opened something – so some light came; then it took 7-8 days – so he could tolerate sunlight.

Q: and his inners also must be prepared for the food and water?

Guruji: I think yes, he drank ghee – so the intestines will remain lubricated. And he went through prakshalana in every possible way – no food or shit particles will remain inside; otherwise it will become toxic. Then the ghee – so the intestine will remain lubricated. These details he said. And he was physically strong. See: my Guru was physically very strong – so every strong person notices how strong is the other person. It’s a natural psychological thing.

Nowadays we’re not hearing of such yogis or sadhus.


Q: Do all creatures in the Siddha loka have knowledge of atma gnyana and yoga or only magical siddhis possess this knowledge?

Guruji: Most of the magical siddhis possessed and most senior of the siddhas possessed the knowledge of the self – atma gnyana.

Q: Is it possible that the lineage of Babaji is coming specifically from Siddha loka?

Guruji: The lineage of yoga starts from Shiva – and he lives on Earth.

Q: But siddhis he possesses?

Guruji: They are itself-developed yogic powers.

Q: Vidyadharas are creatures, which are still related to different tantras and Shri Vidya or not?

Guruji: they are related to vidya – and they are demi-gods. They preside over any kind of art and every type of wisdom, including tantras – everything.

Q: What do You mean – demi-gods?

Guruji: They are not worshipped like gods, but they are belonging to the particular class of the astral beings, who preside over all the vidyas – they are important.

When you have the absolute knowledge of yourself and your brain is absolutely conscious – it will change you physically also, you can live up to 10000 years, because 2% may allow you to live 200 years – so a 100% conscious brain takes you to 10000 plus years – if we go by the calculations. And that developed consciousness- if you apply – you will understand the deep mysteries of 5 elements: everything that we see – is just a different combination and play of 5 elements. Even illusions: vayu and akash create different illusions – and we think what it is? If Babaji has awaken his consciousness – and I’m absolutely sure he has done it millenniums before – he have got enough time to experiment with all the 5 elements and nature of the Creation; and so – he is absolutely in control and absolutely at ease: he can create and uncreate whatever he wants to do, maybe for fun and entertainment. Ultimately – what remains is entertainment. As we have said: gyan is the real entertainment of a gyani.


Q: People like to wear different types of malas or beads – like rudraksha or maybe mala from the bones.

Guruji: They all are carrying different vibrations, they all have their own vibrations.

Q: But Matrikas also can be combined in a mala?

Guruji: Earth is the biggest Matrika. Different malas are taking place on Earth: so you’re taking a special grace from a real Mother – so the step-mothers will take over and support you.

Q: It is written by Nityanath, that Shiva’s ganas are connected with alchemical processes?

Guruji: Yes.

Q: What ganas actually can do – they can teach you, how to do it correctly or what?

Guruji: They are very powerful spirits and ghosts. If the powerful person supports you – the success will be there. But then again: that’s an extremely careful thing; until unless you are very sure – without guidance and assistance never try.

Q: But how are they exactly connected with the alchemical processes?

Guruji: they are powerful ghosts – and all ghosts are attracted by that.

Q: Does the criteria of the human to use his bones for mala exist – man or woman or some special feature?

Guruji: They just say “man” – no woman is described anywhere.

Q: But could they give you suggestions, how to do the process correctly?

Guruji: No suggestions – they are not teaching you. They are invoked only for a certain purpose, bound by the certain mantra, for the specific aim – that’s it. No more, no less.

Q: How can they support the alchemical process?

Guruji: Like a demon – the hardest worker. Do the work – that’s it.

Q: So they will do some process – maybe dangerous for alchemists?

Guruji: They will not do any process, they will just grant you what is needed. Not like teaching you and guiding you step by step – they don’t have so much patience.

Q: So it can be attained by yourself – but it exists, a more easy way by invoking someone?

Guruji: No, it’s the most difficult thing.

Q: Why is it described – because you cannot achieve it by yourself?

Guruji: by yourself you can achieve nothing. It is just a reference book for the person who has gone very advanced and also received the direct grace – only they can try.

Q: Is it beyond those 7 processes which You did successfully?

Guruji: It is very different. Like a support system.

Q: It’s not for the mercury – for something else?

Guruji: Ultimately it is for kaya kalpa and other things.

Q: For vata tapika and kuti praveshek?

Guruji: It is different; not kuti praveshek – you don’t need the support of ghosts in that (smiling).

Q: What will be the prize after?

Guruji: if you’re successful – you will get everything you want; live for centuries – that is the prize. They are not asking for your soul (laughing).

Q: But you must pay for their help – or no?

Guruji: You’ve already paid enough.

Q: Have You seen someone who tried to do it and failed? Or who did it successfully?

Guruji: I’ve seen some people doing japa on human bone’s mala and going mad. This I’ve seen. One man, who was recently here: one of his relatives was doing japa on human bone’s mala – wanted to invoke some tantric powers or something. He started to do that and within 2-3 months he was trapped into a very miser accident- his skull was caved, he was in coma for 2-3 months. Then he recovered – he brought this mala here and forgot about it. When I was just going there – I saw the man, standing above it bowing – then he disappeared. Then one time my lawyer came to take some ghee – and he saw that he was standing here. He was afraid, frozen in fear. He just took the ghee and told me only after. Then it came to me – this ghost attached to mala. I told somebody to throw it to Manasi Ganga – since then we haven’t seen him.

Q: He became free after that?

Guruji: no, he will remain attached with the mala. We became free (laughing). He was directly attached to that mala.

Q: So any kind of mala is attached to someone?

Guruji: The human, whose bones were used – he remains attached.

Q: What did You say to that person, who used such mala?

Guruji: I suggest to him to keep away and never do it. Rely on your own spirit instead of someone else’s ghost.

Q: He left it here by Your suggestion?

Guruji: He just left it. It’s nothing – but some story came out of it.

Q: Who was that ghost?

Guruji: He was wearing the red color – he must be a tantric of some sort. But he was doing nothing, he was standing very obedient.

Q: What a destiny for a tantric – to practice all your life and after death became a mala?

Guruji: He went to the holy place – Manasi Ganga; otherwise no one will forgive.

Q: I mean it’s not a very good thing if someone is practicing on your bones?

Guruji: Yes. Out of greed they are ready for everything.

Q: But why did Nityanath give such a dangerous suggestion?

Guruji: But only for accomplished people: it’s not a book for beginners or idiots.

Q: It exists there, something which can be attained only with this discipline and is impossible without?

Guruji: With discipline and proper guidance there is nothing impossible. Nearly impossible to achieve if no one is guiding properly. Like that thing – diving into the caldron.

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